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Date: Aug 11th Cardamom vs Predator, Duel King S3     

Cause of the incident: Chu Bingjie opted for entertaining style match play when he saw no chance of getting advantage on the scoreline

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Wang Baitao   Director of ICEA Referee CommitteeChu Bingjie was seriously negative in the last rack. I suggest punishing him. The impact of his behavior was extremely bad. I suggested a serious warning and a fine of 3000 RMB. It was too outrageous. He didn’t even respect the match. Professional players should know to respect the match.  It’s a shame to Chinese Pool.楚秉杰最后一局严重消极比赛!建议处罚!   他这种行为影响及其恶劣,建议严重警告并罚款3000元,太不像话了,连对比赛最起码的尊重都没有。   稍微有点素养的职业运动员都应该知道尊重比赛,真没素质,真给中式台球人丢脸。
Mu Xiangjun   Director of Duel King S3Let me explain the background of the incident. In the 49th rack, the Cardamom lagged behind the Predator. In the competition, They needed to make two fouls and a table-run to win. Chu Bingjie actually conceded when he pocketed the 1 Ball.   At present, we have communicated with Chu Bingjie and Li Hewen after the match. Although they have completed the match in general, their attitude was indeed too relaxed. In the future, they mustn’t be too casual in similar situations. They should complete the match according to the rules. They can relax but can not evolve into negativity. They also expressed their understanding and recognition. This situation really needs to be prevented. We will also inform all players of the principle of similar situations to avoid.我先说下事件背景,第49局,蓝蔻落后美洲豹,当局比赛蓝蔻需要造2个犯规+一个小金才有机会最终获胜。楚秉杰打进1号球就是已经认输了。   目前已经沟通的情况是这样,我们赛后跟楚秉杰和李赫文交流了这个情况,虽然总体是完成了比赛,但是态度上确实过于放松,今后类似情况不能太过随意,要按比赛规则继续完成比赛,可以放松但不能演变成消极,二人也表示理解认同。   这个情况确实需要防微杜渐,我们也会通知所有决金球员类似情况的原则,避免类似情况发生。 目前沟通的情况就是以上。
Sun Tao   Deputy Secretary General of the ICEAI was watching the streaming yesterday. When Chu Bingjie pocketed the 1 ball, my feeling was that they gave up their efforts and gave up fighting for the theoretical victory with extremely low probability. At this time, I think this is the reaction of a fan’s identity, which should represent the intuition of the vast majority of fans.   From the situation of Chu Bingjie, they have won five matches. Winning this one is a good thing, and losing it will not affect their spot in Stage 2. They understand the situation better than anyone, so in the face of the 49th  rack of this match, they need to make great efforts to make two fouls and finish a table-run and then a break-and-run to win. They chose not to fight and gave up the last possibility in theory. This mentality is also reasonable.   From the perspective of the event organizer, I think Chu Bingjie’s team’s approach is slightly inappropriate, but I don’t agree with the way of monetary punishment, nor do I suggest the way of announcement. This way is objectively repressive, and the people who are punished are dissatisfied with it, and it is easy to form antagonistic emotions, or they are incited by people around them. This situation should not be the result we want.   I have contacted and talked with Chu Bingjie. He is a person with high emotional quotient and reasonable sense. Since such things also appear for the first time in the Duel King in three years, I think we should talk deeply. I hope to set an example from the perspective of maintaining brand image and not give up the slightest hope to admonish them. At the same time, I also warn them that if there is another similar situation, the punishment will be doubled!   At the same time, all teams need to be informed this situation. Yesterday, we had a serious conversation with Chu Bingjie and solemnly pointed out the problem. We also took this case to announce that such acts are strictly prohibited and violators will be punished.昨天我也在看直播,楚秉杰打进1号球的时候,我的感受是他们放弃努力了,放弃争取概率极低的理论上的胜利了,这时的感觉从归类上来说,我认为这是球迷身份的都一样反应,应该能代表绝大多数球迷的直觉。   从楚秉杰二人的参赛状况来看,已经赢了5场了,这一场赢了是好事,输了也不影响晋级第二阶段。他俩比谁都明白境遇,所以面对本场49局的情况,要极努力费劲心力的去做两次犯规和达成一次小金,再打一次大金才能获得胜利,他们选择了不拼了,放弃了理论上的最后一线可能,这种心态和做法也合乎情理。   从赛事主办方的角度,我觉得楚秉杰队伍的做法略有不妥,但并不赞同以金钱处罚的方式处理这件事情,也不建议以记过公告的方式处理,这种方式在客观上属于镇压式的,被处理的人属于心口都不服,而且容易形成对立情绪,或者被身边人煽动为对立状态,这种情况应该也不是我们希望的结果。   楚秉杰我和他接触聊过,是情商高,明事理的人,鉴于这类事情也是在掘金三年来第一次出现,我觉得还是应该深谈为主,希望从维护自己品牌方形象的角度,展示运动榜样不放弃一丝一毫希望的角度,诫勉二人。同时也敬告二人,下不为例,再有类似的情况,将加倍处罚!   同时,通告所有队伍,此种情况事发突然,昨天我们已经严肃的与楚秉杰二人谈话,郑重指出了问题所在,也借此案例,通告严禁此类行为,违者处罚。
Wang BaitaoI think it’s normal for Chu Bingjie to pocket the 1 Ball and give up the match, because it’s too difficult to win, which is also reasonable. But the key is the next few shots. He was completely negative. He didn’t even aim. It doesn’t matter if he gives up, but he doesn’t respect the match. All of us worked hard for several hours a night here to seriously organize a game, which was harmed by him. We worked hard for months from preparation to execution of the S3, and let him desecrate it casually. Maybe he was unintentional. He was just an outlet for the abnormal play of himself and his teammate (he won Zhang Ronglin by a heavy score in singles, and they were leading more than 20 points before doubles). However, his behavior had an extremely bad impact in full view of the public, and was a serious challenge and blasphemy to the event. players can’t treat the match like this. We can’t connive at players’ behavior. The WCBS once punished Ding Junhui because Ding Junhui deliberately break the balls. Our punishment to Chu Bingjie is the same. Many fans will support us to do so, which is to maintain the solemnity and justice of the game.   It is up to the leaders to decide whether to do monetary punishment or not, but we must publicly punish and inform the whole country. Even if it is only a small warning, we should tell everyone, all the players should respect the match!   Chu Bingjie’s behavior this time is different from Zheng Yubo’s last time in Guangxi. Only a few people know about Zheng Yubo’s behavior, which has not made a bad impact. Chu Bingjie is different this time. Thousands of people are watching. Chu Bingjie is indeed a very popular player at present, but no matter how popular the player is, they should respect the match, which is what they should adhere to. He may not come, but once he comes, he must respect the match and abide by the rules. He may say he doesn’t understand, but will he not be punished if he doesn’t understand?   What’s the difference between his behavior and Wu Zhenyu and Liu Chuang? Which time did we connive Wu Zhenyu? If he is not punished, what will Wu Zhenyu, Liu Chuang and their fans think?我认为楚秉杰打进一号球属于正常的放弃比赛,因为要想赢太难了,这也在情在理。但关键是接下来的几杆球,他完全消极了,连瞄都不瞄,纯属瞎打。他自己放弃了没关系,但是他这种行为至比赛与何地?往小了说,我们所有人一晚上,好几个小时,辛辛苦苦在这里认真的做一场比赛,被他一下给祸害了,往大了说,我们决金第三季从准备到执行,好几个月,辛辛苦苦的工作,让他来轻轻松松,随随便便亵渎了。可能他是无心的,他只是对自己及队友这场球发挥失常的一种发泄(他单打大比分赢张荣麟,双打之前他俩领先二十多分)但是他这种行为在众目睽睽之下造成的影响及其恶劣,对决金比赛的威严是严重的挑战及亵渎。运动员不可以这样对待比赛的,我们不能纵容运动员有这种行为。世台联曾经处罚过丁俊晖一次,原因就是丁俊晖故意炸散球堆。我们这次处罚楚秉杰也是一样,会有很多球迷网友支持我们这样做的,这是维护比赛的庄严及正义。 做不做金钱处罚由领导来决定,但是一定要公开处罚,通告全国,哪怕只是一次小小的警告,要告诉所有人,所以运动员,要尊重比赛!   楚秉杰这次的事情和郑宇伯上次在广西不一样。郑宇伯的事情只有很少人知道,没有造成恶劣影响,而楚秉杰这次不一样,众目睽睽,几十万慎重几百万人在看。楚秉杰确实是目前人气很高的球员,但是不管球员牌多大,都要尊重比赛,这是我们做比赛的人要坚守的。他可以不来,但是来了就要尊重比赛,遵守规则。他可能说他不懂,但是不懂就不罚吗?
Sun TaoFor a long time, JOY event has taken the masters as the benchmark and established a strict and rigorous image of the event, which is inseparable from our adherence to the bottom line. Objectively, this has also led to the alienation of some players from JOY. Because in the thoughts of these people, the penalty itself is irrelevant, and it is hard for them to listen to the truth. They remember who respect them or not, and why they are publicized. At the same time, in dealing with the relationship between players, with the changes of the industry situation, all parties are trying their best to canvass players. The attitude towards an athlete is also impressed by other players, and others are silently assessing JOY. The way we treat players should also be more refined. It is not recommended to give a head shot to a player for the first violation.   Zheng Yubo was punished for a foul in Nanning. Is there any foul for Chu Bingjie? If they ask, how can we reply. Why didn’t the referee stop it immediately by the table?   My opinion is that deep discussion is the way to solve the problem.一直以来,乔氏赛事以大师赛为标杆,树立了严格严谨的赛事形象,这与我们恪守底线密不可分。客观上,这也造成了一部分球员与乔氏的疏离,因为在这些人的世界里,罚钱本身无关痛痒,他们也很难听进去道理,更多是记得谁给不给谁面子,自己怎么被公示了。同时,在运动员关系的处理上,随着行业形势的变化,各方都在尽力争取运动员,对待某个运动员的态度也在别的球员心里留下印象,其他人也在默默的给乔氏打分;我们对待运动员的方式也应该更加精细化运作,不建议强硬的一刀切方式、或者初犯就爆头。 郑宇伯在南宁,是犯规得到处罚;这次楚秉杰,哪里犯规了?人家要问,我们怎么回复呢。说楚消极比赛,那裁判员在赛场上怎么没有立即办理。   我的意见是:深谈,是解决根本问题的办法。
Qiao Bing   President of the ICEAMy opinion: Talk deeply and explain clearly our original intention and the difficulties that we must punish him. Notify the team sponsor. Punish the team, 1000 / person. It is a doubles match. If Chu plays like this, Li Hewen should also be jointly and severally liable. Points will be deducted next time.   There is no contradiction between good relations and punishment.我的意见:1、深谈,解释清楚我们的出发点和必须处罚他的苦衷。2、通知战队赞助商。3、处罚战队,1000/人,这是团队战,楚这样打,李赫文也应该有连带责任。下次再犯就扣积分。   搞好关系和处罚不矛盾。
Wang BaitaoNegative competition is a violation of sportsmanship. The organizing committee has a very broad space to deal with the violation. According to the seriousness of athletes’ violation, it can be a warning, a foul, a negative match, a loss, suspension, etc. Chu Bingjie’s behavior constitutes a violation of the sportsmanship. It has nothing to do with foul or not.消极比赛是违反体育精神的行为,赛事组委会对违反体育精神的行为有非常宽泛的处理空间。根据运动员违反体育精神行为的严重性,可以是一次警告,可以判犯规,判负一局,判负一场比赛……禁赛等等。楚秉杰的行为构成违反体育精神的行为。跟犯规与否没有关系。
Zhang Bolong   Executive Secretary General of the ICEAI watched the match yesterday. I don’t think Chu Bingjie and Li Hewen constitute subjective malice.   “Intention” in criminal law theory includes direct intention and indirect intention. Direct intention indicates that the actor knows that his behavior will cause damage to others, that is, the actor deliberately acts to achieve the purpose of damage, and expects the consequences of damage. The existence of subjective malice is usually an important way for law enforcers to make punishment.   As they think it’s impossible to win, Chu Bingjie and Li Hewen, without any subjective malice, brought the match into the rhythm of “performance” and alleviated the game atmosphere at that time. I don’t think we should speculate maliciously about this behavior. It is fundamentally different from Liu Chuang and Wu Zhenyu, who deliberately break the balls and played a negative match.   As a commercial event, Duel King and Chinese Pool Masters have essential differences in the tone of the event. For the handling of incident like this, I think the “invisible hand” should play a role. Instead of seeking the help of “tangible hand”.   From the reaction of the Internet and domestic live broadcasting room, I don’t see the “serious impact” of it. Qiao Bing has been giving examples of the “double reduction” policy in the education and training industry recently, pointing out that policy makers should not be too superstitious about the power of regulation. I think we, as law enforcers, should be more cautious in exercising our powers. Power belongs to public property and is given by players and fans. It must be used under strict supervision and restraint without any willfulness.昨天的比赛我看了,我并不认为楚秉杰和李赫文构成主观恶意。   刑法理论中“故意”包括直接故意和间接故意,直接故意指明知自己的行为会给他人造成损害去为之,也即行为人为达成损害目的而去故意事实行为,对损害后果是期望的。而主观恶意存在与否,通常是执法者做出判罚的一个重要研判方式。   楚秉杰和李赫文在认定超分无望的情况下,并没有带有任何主观恶意的,把比赛带入“表演”的节奏,缓解当时的比赛气氛。我认为我们不应该去恶意揣测这种行为。这本身跟刘闯、吴振宇,故意炸散球堆、消极比赛是有根本区别的。   作为商业擂台性赛事,决金和大师赛在赛事调性上有本质区别。类似这样的事件的处理方式,觉得更应该让“无形的手”去发挥作用。而不是过多的寻求“有形的手”的进入。   从外网和国内直播间的反应上,我并没有看出此举造成“严重影响”。乔总最近一直在举例教培行业“双减”政策的例子,指出政令制定者不可过于迷信管制的力量。我认为我们作为执法者,行使权力的时候,更应该审慎。权力属于公共财产,是球员球迷赋予的,必须在严格的监管约束下运用,不可有丝毫的任性。
Mu XiangjunIn my personal opinion, it is not proper for monetary punishment, because Cardamom did not violate the fundamental principles and rules. When there is no hope of winning, they generally completed the match and did not violate the rules. Second, is this a negative match? Strictly speaking, Chu doesn’t play seriously. But I personally feel that I can understand their behavior in the last rack. I think everyone can understand it. It’s like garbage time often occurs in NBA games. When the team has no hope of winning in the last two or three minutes, it will replace all the main players with all the substitutes. Objectively speaking It is also a negative game, but this situation is allowed and not punished.   Before Chu Bingjie pocketed the 1 Ball, Cardamom has been seriously playing. After pocketing the No. 1 ball, there is no suspense about the outcome of the game. In this case, players with good sportsmanship will work 100% hard to complete the game, and some of them may work 50% hard of their strength. So essentially they didn’t break the rules.   The decision we have to make this time is not only the impact on the two players, but also the statement of our position to all the Duel King players and fans. Based on the analysis of this situation, I think the cash penalty may make us the opposite of the players and fans, so please consider whether it is necessary to investigate the views of the players and fans.我个人看法觉得不适合做金钱处罚。 因为根本的原则和规则上蓝蔻并没有违反,在获胜无望的情况下他们总体上是完成了比赛,并没有违反规则。 第二,蓝蔻是不是消极比赛?严格意义上不好好打比赛就是。但是我个人感受我能理解蓝蔻最后一局的做法 我觉得大家也都能理解。这就像NBA比赛里也经常会出现垃圾时间,最后还有两三分钟的时候球队获胜无望 会让主力球员下,换上全部替补球员 这是NBA的惯例。这客观上也是一种消极比赛,但这种情况是允许和不被处罚的。   因为我们的规则设置了超分结束这一概念,在楚秉杰打进1号球前蓝蔻一直在认真比赛。打进1号球被超分后 本场比赛已经彻底没有胜负悬念,这种情况下素质好的球员会按100%的努力去完成比赛,素质差一点的可能就发挥50%的实力。这种情况也是我们比赛规则设置超分的原因,而本质上蓝蔻没有违反规则。   我们这次要做出的决定不单单是对二人的影响,更是面向所有决金球员和球迷的表态,于情于理分析这个情况, 我觉得现金处罚可能会让我们现在球员和球迷的对立面,所以还请领导考虑 或者是否有必要调研一下球员和球迷的看法。
Wang BaitaoWhat we want to maintain is not only our own game, but also the sportsmanship. Chu Bingjie deliberately pocketed the 1 ball to surrender. Where is his sportsmanship? He is a star player. His words and behaviors will affect many people. If we don’t guide him in time, more players will follow suit. As for whether to fine or not, I have no opinion, but it is necessary to circulate criticism and public warning. This is the minimum maintenance of sports spirit.我们要维护的不仅仅是我们自己的比赛,更要维护的是体育精神。楚秉杰故意打进一号球认输,他的体育精神在哪里?他是明星球员,他的一言一行会影响很多人 我们如果不及时引导一下,那么会有更多球员会效仿,就会形成破窗效应。至于罚款不罚款,我没有意见,但是通报批评公开警告是必要的。这是对体育精神的最起码的维护。
Zhang BolongFrom a technical point of view, when the situation still remain the possibility of “making snooker to create fouls”, Chu Bingjie chose to give up and pocketed the 1 ball, which is indeed suspected of lack of sportsmanship and will also make fans who expect to watch high-quality safety disappointed.   I think we should criticize this behavior, which is contrary to sportsmanship, and the scope of punishment should not be expanded.就技术角度来讲,在局面仍然支持“做斯诺克从而制造犯规”的情况下,楚秉杰选择放弃式打进1号球,确实涉嫌缺乏体育精神,也会让期待继续看到高质量防守的球迷感到惋惜。   我觉得我们应该就事论事去批评这个行为有违体育精神,量刑范围不应扩大化。
Mu XiangjunI think the direction of the sportsmanship that we should carry forward should be moral victory. There is no problem. Whether we need to punish the losing without honor? I think this reflects the tone and tolerance of an event and resonate with the public Take the NBA substitute as an example. At this time, it has nothing to do with the victory or defeat, and the substitute players will not have any strict requirements for winning, they just shooting. Although this situation is not in line with the sportsmanship we should promote, it is not a “yes” or “no” problem.我觉得我们应该弘扬的体育精神的指向应该是虽败犹荣,这一点问题也没有。那对于虽败不荣这种我们是否需要通过规则来处罚,我觉得这就体现一个赛事的调性和包容度以及和大众共鸣。 还是拿NBA上替补举例子,这种时候无关胜负。替补球员也不会有什么严格的争胜的要求,就是随便打乱突乱投。这种情况虽然不符合我们该弘扬的体育精神,但这个情况不是“是”或“不是”的问题 。
Sun TaoFirst of all, I don’t recommend cash penalty. Fines not only don’t solve the problem, but also change the nature of the problem (especially at the level of mass interpretation and communication). Second, the event itself is the product of the combination of sports and entertainment. It should have its own attribute of rough skin and thick flesh, which is embodied in the tolerance of some non foul behaviors and the humanistic understanding of human nature; Thirdly, the values advocated in our events are very clear (sports spirit), but this is something at the moral level. People who do not follow this initiative should be punished. It is suggested to think about it. Forth, for today’s exceptional behavior, we should also check our event standard design at the same time. Does the loophole of this design give others an opportunity to be exceptional? If they are exceptional, they will severely punish others. It is unfair not to check themselves. At the public level, when individuals face institutions, once there are similar punishments, the public will give individuals a head, Cause the irreversible negative image of the enterprise and brand.首先,这事我不建议罚钱,罚钱不仅不解决问题,还让问题变了性质(尤其在大众解读和传播层面)。第二,赛事本身是体育娱乐结合的产物,应该有自己皮糙肉厚的属性,具体体现在对一些不犯规行为的包容,对人性的人文理解;三、我们的赛事,倡导的价值观很明确(体育精神),但这是道德层面的东西,没有跟随这种倡议的人,是不是该被强制处罚,建议思考。四、今天的出格行为,我们也应该同时检视我们的赛事规范设计,是不是这种设计的漏洞给了人家出格的机会,人家出格了就狠罚人家,不检视自己是不公正的,在大众层面上,个人面对机构的时候,一旦有类似的处罚出来了,大众会给个人出头,造成企业和品牌的不可逆的负面形象。
Li Yang   Director of Video DepartmentWe also felt disappointed when Chu Bingjie gave up to play the safety yesterday. Of course, this is also their own advantage of five consecutive wins. On the 10th, Chu Bingjie closed his eyes in the seat and when his opponent was by the table. It could be seen that he was very tired. It was also one o’clock in the midnight. Maybe he really couldn’t bear it physically. In snooker matches, players often entertain  fans in the last few balls, and some balls even fall off the table Our rule is that the ongoing rack must be finished after exceeding the points. At this time, the players are relaxed. I think there can be elements of performance, but  they must respect opponent. Yesterday, the Cardamom was relaxed in the last rack, and both teams were happy, but I think we can investigate the views of players and fans to making the decision. Chu Bingjie is one of the top Chinese players. It may be the gap between stars and superstars. If it was Gareth Potts yesterday, I believe he would not give up this ethical opportunity.楚秉杰在放弃1号做防守时我们也感到惋惜,当然这也是他们建立了5连胜的优势。 10号楚秉杰在比赛后半程对手在场上打球 他在座椅闭眼迷了一会,能看出很疲惫。昨天也是凌晨一点了体力上确实有点吃不消。 斯诺克在超分之后球员经常最后几球成为表演回馈球迷,有的球甚至打出了台面, 我们的规则在超分之后的当局必须打完,这个时候球员也就是放松的状态,我觉得可以有表演的成分,但别发泄情绪不尊重对手就可以。 昨天蓝寇队最后一局打的比较开放,两队都喜笑颜开,但最终的判罚我觉得可以调研一下球员球迷的看法,再做决定。 楚秉杰是中式的顶尖人物之一,这可能就是明星与超级明星之间的差距吧。如果昨天是波茨打我相信一定不会放弃这种理论上的机会。